When I raced dirt modifieds some tracks made us run a yellow light on the dash that had a transponder. When they would throw a caution flag the light would come on you could not miss it maybe they should look into something along that line if they are going to use the safety car and if they are thinking about going to a safety motorcycle instead of the car they really better consider it. It is going to be much easier for the riders not to see the bike in blind areas and when a rider is concentrating on racing you know something if they really are considering a safety bike maybe they are out of their minds.
novadesigns
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|2009-07-06 19:10:33
I think the idea of radio communication between pits and riders is ridiculous and dangerous. This isn't a car where you can have distractions like that. It simply wont work in motorcycle racing.
I think these DMG guys are so out of touch with motorcycle racing, they just don't seem to understand how things need to happen for safety and for the fans. Safety cars, rolling starts, and now comms in your helmet? Yeah, all this smacks as completely out of touch.
And Colin Fraser talks like a politician. Double talk, circular logic and rhetorical non-committal answers. You walk away from the press conference with no answers other than that these DMG bosses will never admit they are the cause of the problems.
lyodbraun
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|2009-07-06 21:31:41
yup they think they can run it like nascrap, last time I checked road racing is not going around in circles, I think there wont be any big teams racing next season if NASCRAP still is trying to run the show. we need a racing series like WSBK has and them fools at the DMG/AMA/NASBIKE need to get a clue and go back to the stupid car racing...
SnowR1
- No more DMG
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|2009-07-06 22:52:27
I just have two words for everybody -
NEW SERIES!
DMG is obviously wrong in every way. The latest pace car incident is just the final nail in the coffin.
What were they thinking??? People could have been killed!
kamoto
- haha
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|2009-07-06 23:20:05
that guy just got nailed in the pooper
The_Target
- Arrogance by DMG
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|2009-07-06 23:22:27
I find it appalling that DMG refuses to admit what a stupid idea a safety CAR is in a BIKE race. The last thing that a racer needs is to come through a corner and see an SUV out for a sunday drive. The arrogance that DMG displays is insulting to people that are passionate about the sport, be they fans, racers, teams, sponsors, et al. Kevin Schwantz looks like he wants to kill Colin Frazier (maybe he can run him over with the damn safety car) for his ignorance to the safety of the riders.
Boss Rog and his idiot cronies pay empty lip service to their concerns about the safety of the riders, and the product they present. However, what they have contrived is a punchline series.
roxysdad
- DMG name change
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|2009-07-06 23:45:15
DMG have officially changed their name to DKSAMR, short for Don't Know S*&% About Motorcycle Racing. Who knew these guys would screw up American road racing so bad? I am disgusted at these phonys. All they had to do was mirror World SBK and all was well. Now they are making decisions that are going to get riders killed. The arrogance they show is just mind boggling. Between them and Speed I just want to puke as to what they have done to a great racing series.
downforce137
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|2009-07-07 01:32:52
what a doofus. its amazing that throwing a red flag at any other series or event in the world keeps motorcycles from riding into the back of safety cars.
Laguna is probably the most technical track on the calender, and its no surprise to me that multiple riders didnt see waving flags, while concentrating on the track. He even stated that people have continued to race past the checkered flag, because they are focused on the track and where they need to be.
vwken
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|2009-07-07 15:59:49
I thought DMG was utilizing a Pace Bike now, the Buell, which would have been less of a risk, but still potentially fatal in a collision in the turn 1 blindspot. Perhaps they thought it was underpowered to lead the Superbikes? Anyway, with all the changes made by DMG and SPEED's delayed programming, I'm losing interest in the series altogether. Too many bad decisions and this one especially could have been disasterous.
novadesigns
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|2009-07-07 16:02:53
BTW, Colin Fraser is either lying or misinformed about the flags he "claimed" were out on track at the time of the incident. I re-watched the race footage, and there were NO flags visible between turns 8-10. I saw ONE visible single yellow (not double as he claimed) and a rather small safety car placard at the start finish, not nearly early enough to miss a car PARKED over thre crest of the hill.
There was only one other yellow flag right after turn 10, but it was so far off the circuit that I have no doubt most of the riders missed it. Even so every flag was a SINGLE YELLOW, which only means no passing in that corner, NOT to stop for the safety car.
Also, the fact that every single rider in the field PASSED the safety car, shows that it wasn't just a few guys at the front who had a problem with this, it was the entire field. If they had simply had enough workers out there and red flagged the race this would've
alyinsf
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|2009-07-08 09:53:26
A pace car is completely do-able. In BSB they do it - try watching a race to see how it should be done. It's not perfect, but it works quite well and I'm not aware of any dangerous situations created because of it's deployment. It's usually out for about 3 laps, which are often tacked on the end quickly. I don't know how it's done differently, but maybe DMG should ask a series organiser that knows what it's doing. Last weekend at KnockHill it was brought out and it worked just fine, without screwing up the running order.
bry1105
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|2009-07-08 11:30:54
What a bunch of clowns. They'd do better running a circus than a professional motorcycle racing series. It's depressing to see what they have done to a sport we all love.
dealsgapdragon
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|2009-07-09 17:13:33
In Europe the pacecars are sportscars with racing mods, not SUVs, and a huge fire extinguisher built in and flashing strobe lights. A doctor is passenger with a racer driving. They never drive slow on the track, and only stop as a rescue vehicle for severe injuries requiring red flag before an ambulance arrives. It never pulls out on the track until the entire field has slowed down, then it merges ahead of the leaders. Who was driving the pacer at Laguna, some VIP nobody who never raced? Why do American marshalls not know how to wave flags or rescue riders?
rotatingmass
- pace car fiasco(s)
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|2009-07-09 23:10:27
Well, this is the second time this season the pace car on track has caused a problem. The first time was Daytona. The Daytona incident, at night, was written off as minor mistake in the integration of the pace car into the series. The Laguna incident has been brushed under Speed TV’s video editing room carpet and never shown and any discussion about it with the media has been shut down as well. Kevin Schwantz, Kevin Cameron and Matt Mladin deserve a big thank you for standing up for the racers’ safety. Unfortunately, too many racers in the series don’t have the backbone to speak out for fear of retribution from Roger Edmondson & DMG, or they or trying to hang on to their paid racing gig and don’t want to “rock the boat.” This is a bit selfish and shortsighted. There isn’t much of a future in getting paid to kill yourself. The flag system used for decades works fine. A competent race control director is what is needed. All the
rotatingmass
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|2009-07-09 23:15:13
All the flashing lights on the dash, corners etc. won’t help if the person in the control tower does hit the switch to activate them. Yes, a performance oriented pace car is used in WSB and MotoGP only to follow the riders on the sighting (warm up) lap but is in the pit when the race starts and does not go on the track again unless a red flag is throw and the racers have pitted in. Waving yellow flags means there is a hazard in the general vicinity of the waving yellow flag. Waving yellow flags do not stop the race. They are a warning and under a yellow flag no passing is aloud. It doesn’t mean a car is parked on track over the next hill. Apparently, the race director doesn’t understand the meaning of the colors or maybe NASCAR has a different meaning for the colors. If they MUST use a pace car it should not be aloud on track until a red flag is thrown and the racers are back in the pit and accounted for. The only reason I ...
rotatingmass
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|2009-07-09 23:20:08
The only reason I can see for this big push for a pace car is some financial incentive from the pace car manufacturer to DMG, another revenue stream. I just hope isn’t at the expense of someone’s life.
"There's no more conservative group of people than motorcycle racers," said Edmondson when speaking of changes to AMA racing, including adding different venues. "They have a comfort zone the size of a gnat." – Roger Edmondson, June 12, 2008
It’s nice to see how Roger feels about safety issues.
JLUnlimited
- Kevin Is the Man ! !
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|2009-11-29 18:43:58
Out of all the "journalist" Kevin was teh only person asking the real questions and trying to get to the bottom of the accident . .